Curse

curtman · Dec 26, 2006, 09:37 PM // 21:37

They claim they cannot CHANGE the data in the account table, they say nothing about copying existing data into a data structure, inserting the new data into the db, then deleting the old. You are not changing anything, just adding and removing.

Loviatar · Dec 26, 2006, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by curtman

They claim they cannot CHANGE the data in the account table, they say nothing about copying existing data into a data structure, inserting the new data into the db, then deleting the old. You are not changing anything, just adding and removing.

as a matter of fact that exact subject was covered by Gaile in regards to an account.

they can lock an account but they are not able to spoof/transfer game data to a new account/replace items that were deleted/scammed/or otherwise made poof.

this was covered in detail earlier.

they did say that an account/contents/characters cannot be moved once created

ducktape · Dec 27, 2006, 12:57 AM // 00:57

I don't get why this isn't possible. They obviously have the ability to add new hairstyles with each expansion, so they are adding new names or numeric values to the database field that represents hair. Say I have hairstyle #5 in the database. I go to the stylist NPC and change my hair, and now the database records that I have hairstyle #22 instead. That's not spawning anything into my account, it's changing an existing value of the data through an in-game transaction. ANet has changed what our item stats and armor stats are when balancing things. They have accidentally given peoples' existing characters a completely different hairdo or completely different face and then been able to switch it back, so it would seem that switching hairdos at an NPC is very doable! I'm betting that the reason there is no hairstyle NPC is that it would take a lot of time and resources to make it, and right now they have other things to do that are high priority.

Kendar Muert · Dec 27, 2006, 01:02 AM // 01:02

/signed

I think i already signed but i couldnt find my signature...

Bryant Again · Dec 27, 2006, 01:14 AM // 01:14

Everyone wants this, but we're not getting it. Wah.

Probably already have, but /signedmuch

Also, is there any link/whatnot to Gaile's explanation? I'm just curious about the security thing.

Loviatar · Dec 27, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by ducktape

I don't get why this isn't possible. They obviously have the ability to add new hairstyles with each expansion, so they are adding new names or numeric values to the database field that represents hair. .

hi ducktape

the point is that new hairstyle on the new chapter character is being added to a new character and once that new character is added it is unchangeable.

the developers of the database have said that the way they set the whole thing up makes changing/spoofing an account impossible.

if they are telling the truth they cant do it.

otherwise everybody from Jeff Strain on down is lying.

your choice

CidBlackwood · Dec 27, 2006, 02:15 AM // 02:15

Love the idea. I personally have seen people IDENTICAL from face to hair to skin to myself. Once as my W/Mo I found two people at once identical to myself. Same Hair Cut/Color, Same Face, same skin tone AND armor. Triplets stink. Yeah. This idea rox my sox. I hope ANet does it.
I know they wont though so whatever...

gwjunkie · Dec 27, 2006, 04:08 AM // 04:08

Cool idea. I believe this was suggested on a thread for name changes. Both changes would be great in my opinion.
/signed

Winterclaw · Dec 27, 2006, 05:06 AM // 05:06

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Originally Posted by ducktape

I don't get why this isn't possible.

It's possibility all depends on how it was programmed. The fact that there aren't any now even though this thread and others like it have been around forever means they have a reason for no stylists ATM. It isn't so much adding new hairstyles its a question of how hairstyles are granted in the first place.

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That's not spawning anything into my account, it's changing an existing value of the data through an in-game transaction. ANet has changed what our item stats and armor stats are when balancing things.

Changing an item gobally and changing a part of a specific character two very different things. In computer terms, that item may not be a part of your PCs file but the file has a link to an item that says I have such and such. The link isn't changed when they update the item, but the item is. Maybe GMs do have the ability to change names or faces or hairdos, but then again they are GMs and they need special tools to do their job.

Vinraith · Dec 27, 2006, 06:15 AM // 06:15

/signed

Love it.

ducktape · Dec 27, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

Changing an item gobally and changing a part of a specific character two very different things. In computer terms, that item may not be a part of your PCs file but the file has a link to an item that says I have such and such. The link isn't changed when they update the item, but the item is. Maybe GMs do have the ability to change names or faces or hairdos, but then again they are GMs and they need special tools to do their job.

Yeah that's what I'm saying, I know changing the properties of an item for every copy of that item in the entire game is way different than changing the details of our actual characters. But then again look how they accidentally changed around peoples' faces that one time and then changed around peoples' hairstyles another time. Clearly it is something they can do, special GM tools and all, so why would it be so bad to make an NPC in the game that can use that same set of code to change the hairstyles?

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

hi ducktape

the point is that new hairstyle on the new chapter character is being added to a new character and once that new character is added it is unchangeable.

Maybe they are liars? I would hate to think so, but we've all seen them accidentally change around faces and hairstyles on existing characters and then put them back to the way they were. And I'm not talking about the face updates to make mouths move in cutscenes

. Clearly it was an "oops" when the faces and hair swaps were done but if they're saying "it's impossible for us or you to change your face or your hair after your character is created" that's clearly not true. Because they already did each of those things to people before. Does anyone have a link where I can read them telling us this is impossible?

Loviatar · Dec 27, 2006, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by ducktape

Maybe they are liars? I would hate to think so, but we've all seen them accidentally change around faces and hairstyles on existing characters and then put them back to the way they were. ?

hi

there is a big difference between a bug that causes a graphics glitch and actually altering the account data

appearance is part of the account data and the account is designed to not be altered (for security).

that was a wide spread bug not actually changing the accounts involved.

search is not working foe me ATM

EDIT

this is related but not the one i want but has to do with spoofing/creating/changing an account

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9/25 Gaile Gray: Hacked Mesmer's Plea

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I am very angry right now. I should not post. But I will, to, perhaps, end this one.

Support tried to explain, and they gave you a very honest and reasonable answer. I have explained, repeatedly, to the many people who have written me on your behalf, and to you, yourself, how what you seek is not possible. We cannot cheat an account. We do not have the technology; we do not have the capacity, and, as I explained to you more than once just yesterday, there is a good reason that there are these safeguards on the game. And had we the technology, we would not do that because of moral issues which you, in your situation, fail to see and completely refuse to recognize as being beneficial for all 2 million accounts of folks playing Guild Wars.

Winterclaw · Dec 27, 2006, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by ducktape

Clearly it is something they can do, special GM tools and all, so why would it be so bad to make an NPC in the game that can use that same set of code to change the hairstyles?

I think that having hairstylists is something Gaile said was a maybe. Why they haven't done it yet, I'm not sure. It could be possible that the game itself doesn't have permission to access the ability to change hairstyles. Also it could be that the code that already exists would have to be modified to be used by the game and it's a lower priority right now.

ducktape · Dec 27, 2006, 08:26 PM // 20:26

That's what I'm guessing, they want to but have other things they're working on, as I've never actually seen anyone from ANet say it is impossible to have a hair stylist or it's impossible to change our hair to another existing hairstyle.

Hey Loviatar, thanks for the quote. However, in that situation, she was talking about the player's request to restore their character (impossible) and then give that new character all of the titles that the deleted character had (impossible) and not returning any armor or items. I totally understand how that stuff is not doable. And, I know that the face and hair swaps were bugs, but it is proof that the concept of changing hairstyles is possible, so that's basically why I don't understand if the devs have literally said "it is impossible to ever change your hair". If they said that, even though it occured from a bug, it has been done!

I know search is dodgy lately, so that's why I haven't found it either, but if anyone does manage to dig up such a quote, please kindly post it so that we can all have our hopes crushed

Sauron the Evil · Dec 28, 2006, 12:29 AM // 00:29

//////////signed

Chaco Nautzi · Jan 16, 2007, 06:35 PM // 18:35

/signed

I also wanted to bump this thread, as well as show my support :P

Kaszman1 · Jan 18, 2007, 08:10 PM // 20:10

/signed great idea let you make it A.net!!

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artay · Jan 18, 2007, 10:11 PM // 22:11

Me want my bling bling, "Pimp your elementalist"
anyways
/signed

Age · Jan 18, 2007, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by St Claire

I really love this idea. I mean it doesn't even have to go as far as coming up with new things to add like piercings or whatever. I'm just bored to death with my old look and I would love to change my hair style on some characters. On top of that, I really want to change my monk's height because it's so so so very short and I look like a midget (I didn't realize this when I made her.)

Don't you just hate and then when you get to post see that you are smaller than Alesia.I never liked that so I rerolled my beta Monk and changed the face although the hair stayed the same after looking at old SS of her and new ones.

WasAGuest · Jan 19, 2007, 02:46 AM // 02:46

Whether a bug or a fluke, it matters little. Fact is, we've seen the hair styles change and we've seen them change back. Many "inventions" in history were mistakes, errors or simply stumbled upon.

They've stumbled across a bug (an ooops!), by looking at it, they can figure out a way to make it work for them. I'm sure they aren't that thick... well, maybe... the AI still acts like it's trying out for Benny Hill.

So, signed again and again and again.